You are saved by grace ?

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     I had a dream about a year ago and in this dream, I stood before a great king. He seemed larger than life and he sat on a great throne. It seemed I was only 1/3 of his height. We were going back in forth in debate- well only I was debating- on the subject of salvation, but the king only had one answer and would defeat my argument each time.

 My Dream:

   I walked into a room and there was a great king on a large throne and between us seemed to be desk. I stood and argued that it was not possible to be saved by grace alone. I argued with all the scripture I knew and the king would reply each time “No, it is only by grace that you are saved”

    What! That can’t be, I would argue back. The bible is clear that we are not saved unless we believe and even that isn’t enough, because scripture says that even the devils believe, and with this that we need works, because the bible says with out works, our faith is dead. So we need to believe, but we need to add to that faith, but yet, still that is not good enough, we need works – because scripture says that. 

 The king would gently reply: “It is only by grace that you are saved”

     Really? I argued back, so how does that make sense? What about John 3:16?So I guess everybody’s saved, if it’s only grace? But what about those who don’t believe in Christ? Are they saved only by grace because what good is believing, faith and works then? Do they all disappear? What about Hebrews 11:6- We can’t please God without faith and Romans 1:5 and 16:26 we need to believe and OBEY, and 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing and he cuts off every branch that doesn’t produce fruit- so that proves we need works; and works without love is worthless, so now we need works, love, faith, and fruit to be saved!!!!!!

   “ No, it is only by grace that you are saved” He kept saying to me. I was totally annoyed because I didn’t feel like I was winning this argument. The king would look at me with the most loving eyes and let me finish each thing I said before he spoke. He seemed to look at me as a loving father would, even in my frustration – he would calmly tilt his head back touching the back of his throne with his head and smile as if I were quite entertaining. He never got angry and always looked at me with loving eyes, even though I was mouthing off and flying my hands all over the place with my argument.

    Each time I would finish my argument, he would pause…. Smile at me and say – in a ‘he was so right way’ – “it is only by grace that you are saved”. 

      And I kept on: Well why do I need to keep running the race? Aren’t I supposed to win the prize? I keep running as it says in 1 Corinthians 9, and what about faith- what good are we without faith in the Lord Jesus Christ – His death and resurrection? 1 tim 1:9 and all the old testament great men were honored because of their faith – like Abraham- because of their faith- in Hebrews 11” And Romans 3 says we are made right with God because of our faith, not obedience.Doesn’t faith justify us in Gal 2:16 and Romans 5:1? So it’s not grace – impossibleSalvation is belief in Jesus, plus works, plus faith, plus love, plus fruit – because without that….aren’t we chopped off that vine?

The King loving and calmly replied (as he smiled at me)  “Lisa, it is only by grace that you are saved”

      No, I said, you are wrong- impossible. I know all the scripture and I know I’m right. I saw him look at me, enjoying this conversation. He knew he was right and he knew my argument wasn’t standing up to his. So I continued on…..okay, well what about this verse: “When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,  idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division,  envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God” where does grace fit in there? Doesn’t that verse prove we are saved or not saved by our actions? And see! Look at Romans 4” But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners.” So here we go with rock, paper, scissors! It’s faith, and not works? But still – it’s faith in God, right? So now it’s just faith, but wait Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble” (James 2:19).- so faith and belief are different? Anyways- how can God’s grace alone save us? I know God’s grace is important, but I know we are saved because we believe, and even that is not enough! Because even the devils believe, and we must add to that faith because without faith we cannot please God and to that we must add works because faith is shown in works, and to that we must add love because works without love is nothing and to that we add fruit, because without that we are cut off from the vine, and there you have it, I win.

         He leaned over to me, and I really think he had a sparkle in his eye, patiently smiling, making sure I was done and said

     It is only by grace, that you are saved.

  The argument went on and on through the night. I kept quoting scripture, but the king kept winning the argument with his reply “You are saved by grace” ,Uggghhhhhh! I woke up and I still felt like I had not won this argument.

What exactly is Grace?

   This dream prompted me to intensely study Grace and what I have found is truly amazing. I’m not done, I have over 30 pages written on the subject, and hopefully I can put it together soon in a post worthy manner.  The study seems to be taking forever. I think I have found some great discoveries as I study Grace. As I put all the scriptures together to define grace, I have found an interesting possible link between grace and the Holy Spirit. The definition of grace almost exactly matches the Holy Spirit, but that will have to be another post, for now, I just hope to have you thinking. 🙂

   As the Holy Spirit has sealed us for the day of redemption, could also God’s grace do the same? Is Gods grace the underlying denominator to faith, works, belief, love, and fruit?

   I studied Acts a few months ago in order to gather all he said to the people about Salvation in Christ Jesus and I came up with these 7 things:

ETERNAL SALVATION- AN UNDERSERVED GIFT FROM GOD

1-BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST- FAITH
2-CONFESS YOUR SINS AND REPENT
3-TURN BACK TO GOD- He wants you to SEEK HIM
4-BE BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST-WASHING AWAY YOUR SINS
5-PROVE IT BY THE WAY YOU LIVE
6-GET RID OF ALL SIN AND WICKEDNESS
7-WATCH OUT FOR FALSE TEACHERS AND WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING

  As I considered all this I suddenly thought:

It is by grace that  1- I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ
It is by grace that  2- He forgives me when I confess my sins and repent
It is by grace that  3- He calls me to seek Him
It is by grace that 4- He washes away my sins through baptism
It is by grace that  5-He continues to work in me, leading, guiding and teaching me to be Holy like He is holy
It is by grace that   6- He gives me His Word to teach me how to live
It is by grace that  7- He gives me discernment and knowledge to know right from wrong.

  And this verse was brought to my remembrance : “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts” Isaiah 55:8-9

   I’m still not done studying, but I keep on…I keep on….


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves

Ephesians 2:8

Last night I dreamt of a Shepherd, he was tall and in a field with a staff and his herd of sheep. He was going on the outside of his herd and gathering all of the sheep that had wandered off, one at a time, then suddenly I saw a fisherman gathering in fish from a net…

22 thoughts on “You are saved by grace ?

  1. Grace, grace, God’s grace; grace that will pardon and cleanse within! Grace, grace, infinite grace, grace that is greater than all my sin!

    • Hey! I’ve never heard that before and just google your words and found the song. Love it! I think I listened to it 15x

      whoohoo, I’m singing it again, thanks 🙂
      God bless you, Lisa

      • That’s so sad, that you hadn’t heard the song before. It’s a great old hymn, been singing it since I was a kid–a LONG time ago 🙂 I’m 66, and I love the old hymns that are “new” to so many younger people.

  2. Very interesting dream. Grace is very powerful, but yet we are called to live by faith.

    When I think of grace, I think of the sovereignty of God. When I think of faith, I think of man’s responsibility to God. Remember in the Book of Exodus: there are two very interesting scriptures: one scripture says that Pharaoh hardened his heart; another scripture says that the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart. Who can fight against God?

    Exodus 9: 7: “And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go.”

    Exodus 9: 12: “And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.”

    When we look at this scripture, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves”, maybe we think that grace and faith are equals in the same equation that lead to salvation. Maybe we should think that grace is a great tree and faith is one of the branches. I don’t want to get into theological hair-splitting. I’ll just say, thank you Lord for reaching down and saving me; now that I am in your hands, I need to be obedient and live by faith every day.

    • true, true… I like the way you put it when you said faith is like a branch and grace is the tree. That’s a good visual- I think of it in a similar way – I think? I see grace as a numerical denominator and faith as the numerator – anyways, it makes sense in my head… but! what if Grace is acually an arm of the Holy Spirit- what if! Grace is actually another word used for the Holy Spirit, in the New Testament Greek- check it out in the New Testament replacing Grace for the Holy Spirit- then we are in a whole new ball game- We are talking about being saved by the Holy Spirit, the Seal of the Holy Spirit – it’s just a theory, just an idea, just putting the thought out there – maybe I’m wrong, but what if?
      I think if we all argued every point, idea and used those big theological words, we’d all get no where. So we remember the slmplicity of it all : Christ died for us and rose again that we also, would have life abundantly, that we would be one people, with one God, one baptism and one faith.
      I feel blessed that you stopped by and commented, God bless you, and thank you for sharing God’s truth, Amen and Amen, Lisa

      • I like the “tree” analogy. I’ve always thought of it as a train, where grace is the engine, faith is pulled by grace, and works are pulled by faith. I think works are important but if you’ve got good works without grace or faith you’re still lost.

  3. Grace is that which we can claim no credit for. It is solely a work of God. As for works, Jesus says the following:
    Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
    (Joh 6:28-29)

    So simplistic yet we make it so complicated.

    • Hi! Thank you for reminding me of that verse! i love it, I had forgotten about that one. and yes,
      we make everything so complicated!!!!! I guess it makes for great arguments?

      So therefore work is to believe and to to believe is our work – people can make that very complicated- in fact I could probably go on and on about it too, but I like it just the way it is – perfect and true.

      Thanks for sharing, God bless, Lisa

  4. What a great dream, Lisa. Thanks for posting.

    The bottom line, of course, is that God’s grace is a gift as is His salvation, which we can add nothing to, or do anything to make better or more complete. It is at the core, or nucleus, of one’s spiritual life, which the other things you mentioned revolve around. It is as if, as the Word of God IS God, and as God IS love, one cannot separate God’s grace from God, as it is part of His nature. We are saved merely and only by His unmerited divine favor.

    I did another word study on Strong’s 5485, “Charis,” from which the word grace is largely translated, and found it also translated in the NASV95 as Favor, Gracious, Credit, Thank, Thanks, Thankfulness, Concession, Gift, Blessing, and Gratitude. All of these more fully express the heart of the word and conveyed meaning.

    The Lord has blessed you with another wonderful dream to better illustrate to all of us His wonderful grace and salvation. All glory to Him!

    • Thank you! I’m still not done with this study. The more I study, the more I find and there doesn’t seem
      to be an end to it. I am looking up the 5485Strongs number now and will continue on. Thanks for sharing this,
      God bless, Lisa

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  6. ~ Lisa, many people do not understand “Grace” – it is truly an amazing thing. Our pastor did a study on Grace; it took an entire year of meeting once a week to cover it all. If you (or anyone else) would be interested, I would gladly mail you all the study notes or find the link – I think they are all on the church website somewhere. Let me tell you, grace makes a person realize just how tiny we are and how HUGE our Lord is. – In His Love, Kim

    • Thank you, send the link , I’d love to hear it. I began a study on grace and was overwhelmed – its a big topic to study , it seemed to take forever. I have to finish and your comment has inspired me to keep on and start back up. 🙂 Thanks ,
      Lisa

      • Hi , for the long delay – here is the link: http://www.covenantofpeace.net/pages.asp?pageid=107700

        The study is broken into three sections; The Absolute Sovereignty of God, The Radical Ruination of Man, and The Magnificence of God’s Grace in Salvation. This is very deep stuff but well-worth the time it took us to go through it all. After a year of studying this, it changed my life. I hope you are blessed by it. If the link doesn’t work go to http://www.covenantofpeace.net and from there, Resources – to Bible Studies and Articles – then click Doctrines of Grace. That will take you to the entire series.

      • Thank you for the links. Ive done more study on Grace and found some amazing discoveries. I did a children’s bible study on it and researched each verse. It’s really amazing. I read through some of the links
        you attached. I did notice a lot of information is on the election of saints. My personal opinion is that is to be careful with that mindset. God told me that so many of us sit in our churches “lifting up holy
        hands, but who is going after the lost?” That really shook me to the core. Jesus came for the sick, the despised and we have to ask ourselves are we doing this ? Also, the Lord told Jeremiah that he was chosen before he was even born so you have to wonder if everyone alive was actually chosen and that’s why we are here. God loved the world so much he gave His only son, He is no respecter of persons (Acts10:34) and he calls the wicked back to himself (Is 55). Luke 10:22 tells us that we know Him because He revealed himself to us “All[a] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” and we also know he shows mercy to whom he wants, but when believing in election stops us from going out into the world to gather in the lost – that’s were we as the church have crossed the line. If I was a sinner far from the church, this philosophy of only church people are elected, would make me feel hopeless. I’m not fully sure that was his point, but I saw a lot of that topic discussed. Just remember that God rejoices as the feet set out to share salvation with the lost.
        Anyways, I know this has nothing to do with the topic and I am so happy that the sermons blessed you and brought new understanding. Thank you so much for sharing this and commenting. I just wanted to make a side not on some of the topics I read in the link.
        God bless you,
        Lisa 🙂

      • Lisa, we are not to concern ourselves with who God does or doesn’t save – it is our duty to share the Gospel and the Holy Spirit will manage the rest. Words like “predestination” and “elect” are all over the Bible. It was that study on Grace that made me quit kicking and screaming against what I wanted it to mean and to listen to what the Bible clearly states about it. I hope you will spend some time reading over the lessons and asking God to show you what He would have you to learn. Thanks for sharing.

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